1 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:23,210 [Music] 2 00:00:23,220 --> 00:00:26,170 you 3 00:00:33,910 --> 00:00:29,890 my name is Debra Jordan Coble and I'm 4 00:00:35,410 --> 00:00:33,920 probably better known as Kathy Davis the 5 00:00:38,290 --> 00:00:35,420 pseudonym that was given to me by Budd 6 00:00:40,810 --> 00:00:38,300 Hopkins in his book intruders the 7 00:00:44,410 --> 00:00:40,820 incredible incredible story Cokely woods 8 00:00:48,009 --> 00:00:44,420 which was written about me and my family 9 00:00:56,439 --> 00:00:48,019 and it centers around an experience that 10 00:01:04,030 --> 00:00:56,449 I had in 1983 but our family has always 11 00:01:06,820 --> 00:01:04,040 had unusual experiences when I was 12 00:01:10,990 --> 00:01:06,830 growing up you know I just assumed that 13 00:01:13,300 --> 00:01:11,000 everybody had strange things happened to 14 00:01:18,490 --> 00:01:13,310 him once a while so strange shadow 15 00:01:21,249 --> 00:01:18,500 things or license sky the neighborhood 16 00:01:23,380 --> 00:01:21,259 that I was born and raised in was known 17 00:01:25,359 --> 00:01:23,390 for them all climbing up on the roof 18 00:01:27,609 --> 00:01:25,369 sometimes to look at a UFO they thought 19 00:01:30,310 --> 00:01:27,619 was my flight so I mean to me that was 20 00:01:32,859 --> 00:01:30,320 normal you know I didn't know any better 21 00:01:36,130 --> 00:01:32,869 I was just a little kid and I quickly 22 00:01:39,940 --> 00:01:36,140 found out once I entered public school 23 00:01:41,649 --> 00:01:39,950 that maybe wasn't quite so common and I 24 00:01:42,389 --> 00:01:41,659 also quickly learned how to keep my 25 00:01:48,580 --> 00:01:42,399 mouth shut 26 00:01:51,580 --> 00:01:48,590 didn't want to get made fun of but I had 27 00:01:53,980 --> 00:01:51,590 an experience after having moved back 28 00:01:57,730 --> 00:01:53,990 home with my parents at the age of about 29 00:01:59,830 --> 00:01:57,740 23 I had been married and was getting 30 00:02:01,779 --> 00:01:59,840 divorced I had two small children so I 31 00:02:05,489 --> 00:02:01,789 moved back home with my mom and dad to 32 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:05,499 try to get back on my feet again and I 33 00:02:15,100 --> 00:02:11,770 the night of this experience I had been 34 00:02:16,809 --> 00:02:15,110 eating dinner and I was at the kitchen 35 00:02:18,940 --> 00:02:16,819 sink washing my hands getting ready to 36 00:02:20,830 --> 00:02:18,950 go cut some patterns with the neighbor 37 00:02:22,449 --> 00:02:20,840 that looks behind us for a little extra 38 00:02:27,070 --> 00:02:22,459 spending money because she was a 39 00:02:29,290 --> 00:02:27,080 seamstress and I had noticed a strange 40 00:02:32,500 --> 00:02:29,300 light in the clubhouse of a swimming 41 00:02:35,649 --> 00:02:32,510 pool that was next to my parents in my 42 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:35,659 parents backyard and I mentioned it to 43 00:02:38,620 --> 00:02:37,370 my mom I said I there the lights on in 44 00:02:40,930 --> 00:02:38,630 the pump house and it 45 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:40,940 because I was the last one out there and 46 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:42,530 I know I shut the light off and shut the 47 00:02:45,700 --> 00:02:44,450 door I said do you want me to go out 48 00:02:47,710 --> 00:02:45,710 there and check things out she's like no 49 00:02:52,210 --> 00:02:47,720 don't worry about your dad we'll get it 50 00:02:54,310 --> 00:02:52,220 and my dad was second shift electrician 51 00:02:57,820 --> 00:02:54,320 at Ford so he would have been coming 52 00:03:00,010 --> 00:02:57,830 home later on that night I said well 53 00:03:03,090 --> 00:03:00,020 I'll check it out as I leave so I got in 54 00:03:05,380 --> 00:03:03,100 my car and I the way the house is set up 55 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:05,390 one part of the driveway goes down to 56 00:03:10,270 --> 00:03:07,810 the garage in the front but another part 57 00:03:12,610 --> 00:03:10,280 Forks off and goes alongside of the 58 00:03:15,460 --> 00:03:12,620 house and then around a turn around back 59 00:03:17,710 --> 00:03:15,470 where my dad had a workshop so and then 60 00:03:19,690 --> 00:03:17,720 swimming pool between the workshop in 61 00:03:21,070 --> 00:03:19,700 the house so I decided to drive around 62 00:03:22,540 --> 00:03:21,080 that turn around and come back down I 63 00:03:24,430 --> 00:03:22,550 could get a good view of everything in 64 00:03:25,810 --> 00:03:24,440 the backyard and make sure everything 65 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:25,820 was safe because I was leaving my mom 66 00:03:30,070 --> 00:03:28,610 with my two little kids you know even 67 00:03:33,100 --> 00:03:30,080 though it's going to just be one Street 68 00:03:35,650 --> 00:03:33,110 over and I certainly wasn't thinking 69 00:03:37,710 --> 00:03:35,660 about UFO stuff at the time but I was 70 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:37,720 thinking about maybe you know prowlers 71 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:41,690 so when I got it made me five minutes 72 00:03:47,830 --> 00:03:44,810 time I got back to where I could see 73 00:03:49,300 --> 00:03:47,840 before I left the light was gone and the 74 00:03:52,390 --> 00:03:49,310 door seemed to be shut but I also 75 00:03:54,100 --> 00:03:52,400 noticed that the pedestrian door to the 76 00:03:56,950 --> 00:03:54,110 garage that was attached to the house 77 00:04:01,680 --> 00:03:56,960 was now open and I knew that had been 78 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:01,690 shut never open but instead of stopping 79 00:04:06,100 --> 00:04:04,130 which I don't know why I didn't because 80 00:04:07,780 --> 00:04:06,110 normally I probably would've I just went 81 00:04:09,940 --> 00:04:07,790 on ahead to Deanna's and it seems like 82 00:04:12,820 --> 00:04:09,950 after I called her I called my mom and I 83 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:12,830 told her what I'd seen and again asked 84 00:04:15,940 --> 00:04:14,090 her do you want me to come home and 85 00:04:17,710 --> 00:04:15,950 she's like now don't worry about it I 86 00:04:20,710 --> 00:04:17,720 like the doors it's probably nothing 87 00:04:23,980 --> 00:04:20,720 your dad will be home pretty soon and 88 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:23,990 it's a fine so I hung the phone up and 89 00:04:28,510 --> 00:04:26,450 as soon as I hang it up it rang again 90 00:04:30,820 --> 00:04:28,520 being in my friends house where I'm 91 00:04:33,100 --> 00:04:30,830 comfortable I mean and I was standing 92 00:04:37,060 --> 00:04:33,110 right there I just picked the phone up 93 00:04:40,990 --> 00:04:37,070 and answered it and it was my mother and 94 00:04:41,770 --> 00:04:41,000 she sounded weird she said I need you to 95 00:04:45,550 --> 00:04:41,780 come home right now 96 00:04:48,100 --> 00:04:45,560 and I'm like well what is wrong mom you 97 00:04:51,130 --> 00:04:48,110 know it alarmed me because my mother 98 00:04:51,860 --> 00:04:51,140 never got scared of anything never 99 00:04:55,190 --> 00:04:51,870 complained 100 00:04:57,710 --> 00:04:55,200 never respect anything when I was when I 101 00:04:59,960 --> 00:04:57,720 was saying that to my mother my 102 00:05:04,760 --> 00:04:59,970 girlfriend and her husband her could 103 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:04,770 hear me and I guess he Larry heard the 104 00:05:09,530 --> 00:05:06,450 tone of voice and realized I was alarmed 105 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:09,540 and he said to me to tell your mother to 106 00:05:13,490 --> 00:05:11,490 call the police that's what we pay him 107 00:05:15,410 --> 00:05:13,500 for because he knew I was upset and from 108 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:15,420 like you know alarmed and what he could 109 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:17,730 hear me say and she heard him and she 110 00:05:22,370 --> 00:05:20,010 said no I'm not calling the police I 111 00:05:24,860 --> 00:05:22,380 want you to come home right now okay 112 00:05:26,180 --> 00:05:24,870 no problem I'm a little freaked out but 113 00:05:27,830 --> 00:05:26,190 you know I own the phone I said I'll be 114 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:27,840 back a little bit I gotta go see what's 115 00:05:34,820 --> 00:05:31,650 going on so I went home one just took me 116 00:05:36,650 --> 00:05:34,830 like a minute to get back cold back up 117 00:05:40,070 --> 00:05:36,660 against that again on that side dried 118 00:05:42,740 --> 00:05:40,080 and stopped at the at the side of the 119 00:05:44,870 --> 00:05:42,750 house and got out and went into what we 120 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:44,880 called the Florida room well patio room 121 00:05:48,980 --> 00:05:47,250 my dad built off the dining room there 122 00:05:50,780 --> 00:05:48,990 and I walked in and my mom was standing 123 00:05:55,310 --> 00:05:50,790 out there and I didn't see anything in 124 00:05:57,710 --> 00:05:55,320 the yard and I said to her I don't see 125 00:06:01,280 --> 00:05:57,720 anything but I'll go out and look and I 126 00:06:02,840 --> 00:06:01,290 dad kept the shotgun not loaded next to 127 00:06:04,490 --> 00:06:02,850 the trash masher in there and I picked 128 00:06:06,110 --> 00:06:04,500 it up and my mom says well that's not 129 00:06:08,330 --> 00:06:06,120 loaded and I go well they don't know 130 00:06:11,420 --> 00:06:08,340 that oh I'll get close enough to him I 131 00:06:13,460 --> 00:06:11,430 could smack him with it you know and I'm 132 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:13,470 not a brave person so the fact that I 133 00:06:20,860 --> 00:06:17,370 even did any of that still amazes me I 134 00:06:25,550 --> 00:06:20,870 am braid now but back then I was not a 135 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:25,560 whole different person now but I went 136 00:06:29,750 --> 00:06:27,090 out and looked around didn't see 137 00:06:33,290 --> 00:06:29,760 anything went to the pump house looked 138 00:06:35,330 --> 00:06:33,300 inside nothing miss didn't see anything 139 00:06:37,700 --> 00:06:35,340 on us in the backyard and I headed 140 00:06:39,290 --> 00:06:37,710 towards I found my dog who had been in 141 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:39,300 the garage actually under my dad's 142 00:06:43,970 --> 00:06:42,090 ladder truck backed by his workshop but 143 00:06:46,430 --> 00:06:43,980 she would not come out from under that 144 00:06:48,830 --> 00:06:46,440 truck and that was very unlike her 145 00:06:50,540 --> 00:06:48,840 because she was my dog and I'm liking me 146 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:50,550 a penny coming you know she's looking to 147 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:53,130 make a dog whining noises and would not 148 00:06:58,430 --> 00:06:54,930 come out I'm like fine stay there I got 149 00:07:01,010 --> 00:06:58,440 time for this went to the garage went 150 00:07:02,690 --> 00:07:01,020 inside the success Korean door and I'm 151 00:07:05,390 --> 00:07:02,700 walking around like Elmer Fudd who 152 00:07:09,710 --> 00:07:05,400 stalking the 153 00:07:12,980 --> 00:07:09,720 that you know custom a little bit trying 154 00:07:15,670 --> 00:07:12,990 to be posturing like you know I know 155 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:15,680 you're in here I'm gonna you know and 156 00:07:20,450 --> 00:07:18,690 nobody sitting there there were a couple 157 00:07:22,490 --> 00:07:20,460 of mattresses leaned up against the wall 158 00:07:23,990 --> 00:07:22,500 and I thought they're the only place 159 00:07:25,460 --> 00:07:24,000 someone could be hiding because I can 160 00:07:27,980 --> 00:07:25,470 see everything else so they got 161 00:07:29,930 --> 00:07:27,990 somebody's got to be in there behind 162 00:07:30,950 --> 00:07:29,940 that mattress I'm sneaking around 163 00:07:32,330 --> 00:07:30,960 they're getting ready to stick the gun 164 00:07:35,719 --> 00:07:32,340 back in there and I'm like I'm gonna 165 00:07:38,870 --> 00:07:35,729 shoot you both all of a sudden I feel 166 00:07:41,990 --> 00:07:38,880 like I'm on fire I'm stopped in my 167 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:42,000 tracks I feel like every inch of my skin 168 00:07:48,350 --> 00:07:44,610 is burning and it's almost like I can 169 00:07:52,730 --> 00:07:48,360 feel every molecule of my body vibrate 170 00:07:55,159 --> 00:07:52,740 and I'm like frozen with fear and I'm 171 00:07:57,710 --> 00:07:55,169 thinking oh my god my thought was I have 172 00:08:00,589 --> 00:07:57,720 to get out of here right now so I head 173 00:08:04,610 --> 00:08:00,599 to the pedestrian door and as soon as I 174 00:08:08,719 --> 00:08:04,620 get into the doorway something hits me 175 00:08:12,950 --> 00:08:08,729 right here in my I guess solar plexus 176 00:08:16,279 --> 00:08:12,960 right here like a punch in the gut but a 177 00:08:20,089 --> 00:08:16,289 light so intense that my eyes I know 178 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:20,099 they had to be closed but yet the light 179 00:08:26,750 --> 00:08:21,930 was so intense that it's like burned my 180 00:08:29,990 --> 00:08:26,760 eyes and I thought oh my god I'm dead I 181 00:08:31,730 --> 00:08:30,000 remember thinking I'm dead I'm dead this 182 00:08:33,110 --> 00:08:31,740 is what it feels like to die you know I 183 00:08:37,430 --> 00:08:33,120 just kept thinking I'm dead I'm dead 184 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:37,440 and the light was so intense and it's 185 00:08:45,190 --> 00:08:39,810 like I couldn't move and I could feel 186 00:08:47,780 --> 00:08:45,200 every morsel of my body vibrate like 187 00:08:49,370 --> 00:08:47,790 intense it was so intense and in 188 00:08:51,110 --> 00:08:49,380 retrospect I think I couldn't have 189 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:51,120 survived something like that for more 190 00:08:59,180 --> 00:08:53,610 than a second or two but it seemed like 191 00:09:02,090 --> 00:08:59,190 time almost stops and it seems like it 192 00:09:06,350 --> 00:09:02,100 was going on forever you know but I know 193 00:09:09,170 --> 00:09:06,360 it couldn't have I felt one the 194 00:09:12,410 --> 00:09:09,180 vibration stopped the light quickly 195 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:12,420 became less intense but I just I found 196 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:14,730 that number one I couldn't move number 197 00:09:21,310 --> 00:09:18,730 two my vision was Jack 198 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:21,320 like have you ever gotten your picture 199 00:09:26,230 --> 00:09:24,170 taken with a big flash cube and you got 200 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:26,240 it in the eyes and then you see these 201 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:28,370 crazy spots for like an hour you think 202 00:09:31,810 --> 00:09:29,450 you're going to go blind because you've 203 00:09:33,910 --> 00:09:31,820 burned your eyes that's something my 204 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:33,920 eyes were doing that so bad that it was 205 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:35,930 very difficult for me to see detail in 206 00:09:40,870 --> 00:09:39,050 front of me I could see movement you 207 00:09:46,180 --> 00:09:40,880 know but I couldn't see it you know 208 00:09:48,340 --> 00:09:46,190 lively spots and then I felt something 209 00:09:50,470 --> 00:09:48,350 pull down on my shoulder from behind me 210 00:09:53,020 --> 00:09:50,480 and from behind me or somewhere I could 211 00:09:57,070 --> 00:09:53,030 not see anybody but I could hear a voice 212 00:10:00,130 --> 00:09:57,080 say that was unfortunate in reference to 213 00:10:03,730 --> 00:10:00,140 the pain that I felt and then I felt a 214 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:03,740 stab in my ear that felt I could 215 00:10:10,030 --> 00:10:06,890 visualize like a red-hot needle being 216 00:10:12,550 --> 00:10:10,040 shoved into my ear and yet I couldn't 217 00:10:14,710 --> 00:10:12,560 scream I couldn't move I just had to 218 00:10:18,340 --> 00:10:14,720 stand there and take it but it was brief 219 00:10:23,620 --> 00:10:18,350 I noticed a light in front of me maybe 220 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:23,630 20 or 25 feet in front of me out into 221 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:26,090 the yard the size of a basketball and 222 00:10:35,890 --> 00:10:28,730 was much softer than what had hit me in 223 00:10:37,630 --> 00:10:35,900 the chest and it went down slowly to the 224 00:10:40,390 --> 00:10:37,640 ground and then back up again to where 225 00:10:43,570 --> 00:10:40,400 it was and I got the distinct feeling 226 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:43,580 that it was looking at me I don't know 227 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:46,450 why but it was looking at me which 228 00:10:53,710 --> 00:10:49,370 freaked me out and it was that time I 229 00:11:00,250 --> 00:10:53,720 noticed this thing to my left I looked 230 00:11:06,340 --> 00:11:00,260 at it I was mortified it was not that 231 00:11:10,300 --> 00:11:06,350 large maybe 10 feet tall maybe 10 feet 232 00:11:13,210 --> 00:11:10,310 around at the middle but it kind of went 233 00:11:14,530 --> 00:11:13,220 in it almost was egg-shaped and for like 234 00:11:16,300 --> 00:11:14,540 me I can't really tell you whether 235 00:11:18,850 --> 00:11:16,310 actually was even touching the ground or 236 00:11:20,560 --> 00:11:18,860 not because it almost seemed was down 237 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:20,570 there but it almost seemed as if it kind 238 00:11:27,579 --> 00:11:23,810 of bobbles or just slightly you know I 239 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:27,589 mean and there were other lights on it a 240 00:11:32,110 --> 00:11:29,330 couple other lights on it that were very 241 00:11:35,450 --> 00:11:32,120 similar to what was in front of me 242 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:35,460 and I thought I don't want to look at it 243 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:39,450 but then yet a quandary I needed to know 244 00:11:43,010 --> 00:11:41,130 exactly where it was in reference to me 245 00:11:45,350 --> 00:11:43,020 at all time so I couldn't not look at it 246 00:11:47,540 --> 00:11:45,360 you know I mean not that I could get 247 00:11:48,950 --> 00:11:47,550 away from it but it was one of those 248 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:48,960 things where you can't not look at it 249 00:11:51,010 --> 00:11:50,370 but you can't look at it you know what I 250 00:11:55,940 --> 00:11:51,020 mean 251 00:11:58,240 --> 00:11:55,950 and then I noticed the children I called 252 00:12:01,490 --> 00:11:58,250 them because they look like kid sized 253 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:01,500 people in the art it seems like they had 254 00:12:06,500 --> 00:12:03,930 been scattered in various parts of the 255 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:06,510 backyard all came together in a line and 256 00:12:13,580 --> 00:12:09,810 kind of glided across diagonally the 257 00:12:16,340 --> 00:12:13,590 yard and to the thing they were probably 258 00:12:18,470 --> 00:12:16,350 about I called a bullet-shaped because 259 00:12:20,510 --> 00:12:18,480 they were large at the top and then came 260 00:12:24,860 --> 00:12:20,520 down and they didn't really walk they 261 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:24,870 slid but I thought they were little kids 262 00:12:32,570 --> 00:12:26,850 or something like that you know what I 263 00:12:36,260 --> 00:12:32,580 mean because of the size and they all 264 00:12:37,910 --> 00:12:36,270 wanted to sing and then I saw that 265 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:37,920 myself oh my kids my kids are in this 266 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:41,010 house you know and immediately I heard 267 00:12:47,930 --> 00:12:43,650 that voice again say your children are 268 00:12:49,820 --> 00:12:47,940 okay no need to worry about them to that 269 00:12:51,620 --> 00:12:49,830 effect I can't exactly remember the same 270 00:12:53,450 --> 00:12:51,630 exact words at this point but basically 271 00:12:54,650 --> 00:12:53,460 was telling me don't need to worry about 272 00:13:00,910 --> 00:12:54,660 your children they're fine 273 00:13:05,390 --> 00:13:00,920 and then the next thing I remember I 274 00:13:06,860 --> 00:13:05,400 hear my name well I didn't realize it at 275 00:13:08,690 --> 00:13:06,870 that time but it was like a week later 276 00:13:12,500 --> 00:13:08,700 that we discovered that it was actually 277 00:13:14,060 --> 00:13:12,510 my mother up higher on the in the back 278 00:13:16,370 --> 00:13:14,070 door calling my name 279 00:13:19,580 --> 00:13:16,380 shouldn't see me and I'd been gone and 280 00:13:25,670 --> 00:13:19,590 she was calling for me soon as I heard 281 00:13:30,710 --> 00:13:25,680 my name it was like Matt I woke up so to 282 00:13:31,910 --> 00:13:30,720 speak I could move I had vague memories 283 00:13:33,830 --> 00:13:31,920 of what had just happened but they 284 00:13:36,380 --> 00:13:33,840 quickly faded so they were like by the 285 00:13:38,990 --> 00:13:36,390 time I got to the top of the stairs of 286 00:13:40,370 --> 00:13:39,000 the top part of the patio were led to 287 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:40,380 the kitchen door this is a tri-level 288 00:13:44,530 --> 00:13:43,170 service and built kind of like a land 289 00:13:46,810 --> 00:13:44,540 like that 290 00:13:49,390 --> 00:13:46,820 by the time I got to where my mom was 291 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:49,400 and she says to me is everything okay 292 00:13:55,540 --> 00:13:52,490 and I think that's cool all of that had 293 00:13:58,660 --> 00:13:55,550 just disappeared out of my mind I felt 294 00:14:00,700 --> 00:13:58,670 weird I didn't feel right I felt like I 295 00:14:02,890 --> 00:14:00,710 needed to get wet for some reason I just 296 00:14:08,050 --> 00:14:02,900 needed to wash off or whatever so I 297 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:08,060 called my friend and I said hey I don't 298 00:14:11,710 --> 00:14:09,650 feel like cutting out any more how about 299 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:11,720 we go swimming it's warm and we have 300 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:13,490 this lovely pool at night she's like 301 00:14:17,170 --> 00:14:15,410 okay so she brought her daughter and we 302 00:14:21,730 --> 00:14:17,180 went she came to the back to the house 303 00:14:23,770 --> 00:14:21,740 and as we were walking from the hook the 304 00:14:26,020 --> 00:14:23,780 kitchen to out across the yard to the 305 00:14:28,780 --> 00:14:26,030 pool her daughter steps on something in 306 00:14:30,490 --> 00:14:28,790 the yard that she says it feels like her 307 00:14:32,830 --> 00:14:30,500 feet were burning and tingling and her 308 00:14:34,300 --> 00:14:32,840 leg was getting numb and we thought 309 00:14:35,980 --> 00:14:34,310 maybe she stepped on a bee or something 310 00:14:38,850 --> 00:14:35,990 then we didn't see anything on her feet 311 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:38,860 but and it was both both feet both legs 312 00:14:44,020 --> 00:14:41,090 we couldn't figure out what was going on 313 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:44,030 so I mean she seems like she was okay so 314 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:46,610 we just got in the pool and within a few 315 00:14:52,660 --> 00:14:48,650 minutes all three of us got sick 316 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:52,670 we're nauseous and I started having 317 00:14:57,970 --> 00:14:56,210 symptoms with my eyes it was like all 318 00:15:00,160 --> 00:14:57,980 the lights had halos around him you know 319 00:15:01,570 --> 00:15:00,170 I mean and if you were ever a little kid 320 00:15:03,250 --> 00:15:01,580 and you ever stuck your head under the 321 00:15:09,220 --> 00:15:03,260 water with a heavily chlorinated pool 322 00:15:11,740 --> 00:15:09,230 and you noticed that the you know vision 323 00:15:13,900 --> 00:15:11,750 got all halo and hazy and stuff you know 324 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:13,910 which I've done that before the kid but 325 00:15:18,070 --> 00:15:15,170 I hadn't even got my head in the water 326 00:15:20,380 --> 00:15:18,080 so that was not the issue and I could 327 00:15:21,580 --> 00:15:20,390 not figure out what's going on we 328 00:15:25,450 --> 00:15:21,590 finally gave up with the idea of 329 00:15:27,430 --> 00:15:25,460 swimming and they left and I went home 330 00:15:30,250 --> 00:15:27,440 went to bed next morning when I woke up 331 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:30,260 my eyes were swollen completely shut 332 00:15:34,780 --> 00:15:32,570 they were on fire they were red they 333 00:15:38,050 --> 00:15:34,790 were running so my mother took me to the 334 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:38,060 emergency room and while we were there 335 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:41,450 they're like we don't have the to deal 336 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:44,690 with this kind of eye injury and there 337 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:46,610 just so happened to be an eye doctor in 338 00:15:50,110 --> 00:15:48,650 the hospital and they contacted him he 339 00:15:52,780 --> 00:15:50,120 came to the emergency room to look at me 340 00:15:54,460 --> 00:15:52,790 and then he in turn sent me to his 341 00:15:56,500 --> 00:15:54,470 offices which were across the street 342 00:15:57,509 --> 00:15:56,510 from the hospital he said he had better 343 00:15:59,249 --> 00:15:57,519 equipment to 344 00:16:01,829 --> 00:15:59,259 take care of me better there so we went 345 00:16:03,329 --> 00:16:01,839 over there mommy over there first words 346 00:16:05,189 --> 00:16:03,339 out of his mouth after he got to looking 347 00:16:09,499 --> 00:16:05,199 at me was have you looked into the Ark 348 00:16:13,169 --> 00:16:09,509 of the welder's torch and I'm like up no 349 00:16:14,999 --> 00:16:13,179 no I'm thinking what the hell is wrong 350 00:16:16,669 --> 00:16:15,009 with me somebody help me this hurt I 351 00:16:20,460 --> 00:16:16,679 can't see 352 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:20,470 well he called it a severe case of 353 00:16:25,799 --> 00:16:21,610 conjunctivitis 354 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:25,809 referre he could tell you know I would 355 00:16:29,669 --> 00:16:27,850 prescribe creams and drop which took 356 00:16:33,929 --> 00:16:29,679 weeks for this to heal up my vision came 357 00:16:36,449 --> 00:16:33,939 back after a couple of days pain was 358 00:16:38,970 --> 00:16:36,459 still and they look horrible for several 359 00:16:40,579 --> 00:16:38,980 weeks at from that point on my eyes were 360 00:16:44,850 --> 00:16:40,589 never right I became extremely 361 00:16:48,809 --> 00:16:44,860 farsighted and I was diagnosed with 362 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:48,819 cataracts in my 30 and I at 55 I finally 363 00:16:54,530 --> 00:16:51,970 had both lenses replaced and I was also 364 00:16:57,329 --> 00:16:54,540 diagnosed with dry macular degeneration 365 00:17:00,329 --> 00:16:57,339 the beginnings I had the Drude drusen 366 00:17:01,949 --> 00:17:00,339 around the macular nerves and I was 367 00:17:07,620 --> 00:17:01,959 quite young I was in my early thirties 368 00:17:10,620 --> 00:17:07,630 with that as well so I blame that night 369 00:17:13,169 --> 00:17:10,630 because my eyes were tore up I can't 370 00:17:14,519 --> 00:17:13,179 prove it and I probably could never 371 00:17:17,039 --> 00:17:14,529 prove it other than you know if you 372 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:17,049 could we found the doctor's notes or the 373 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:20,770 you know the emergency room records and 374 00:17:26,789 --> 00:17:23,970 all that from Williams back in 1983 but 375 00:17:30,539 --> 00:17:26,799 my eyes were a mess and I blame that 376 00:17:32,010 --> 00:17:30,549 night also for about a year after that I 377 00:17:34,380 --> 00:17:32,020 was sick all the time 378 00:17:36,630 --> 00:17:34,390 my I would have my glands with swell up 379 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:36,640 my immune system was shot 380 00:17:41,730 --> 00:17:39,330 I caught everything that came to town I 381 00:17:44,750 --> 00:17:41,740 developed a lot of irregular heartbeats 382 00:17:49,649 --> 00:17:44,760 I started having panic attacks and 383 00:17:51,090 --> 00:17:49,659 anxiety and I think the first few months 384 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:51,100 after that I basically had a nervous 385 00:17:57,149 --> 00:17:54,250 breakdown I started to remember things 386 00:17:59,490 --> 00:17:57,159 that following the weekend after that 387 00:18:02,070 --> 00:17:59,500 happened was when the mark in the yard 388 00:18:04,019 --> 00:18:02,080 first appeared he kind of bloomed I 389 00:18:07,909 --> 00:18:04,029 don't think it really happened overnight 390 00:18:11,170 --> 00:18:09,400 maybe 391 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:11,180 we just noticed it a couple days later 392 00:18:18,250 --> 00:18:16,490 so I'm guessing they I'm the first thing 393 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:18,260 my mother said when she saw this mark in 394 00:18:23,170 --> 00:18:20,330 the yard was oh that's where the UFO 395 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:23,180 landed and I looked at her like what did 396 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:25,850 you just say I like you know I said what 397 00:18:29,620 --> 00:18:27,890 to her looked at her like all crazy 398 00:18:31,060 --> 00:18:29,630 and then I started looking at the mark 399 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:31,070 and it was like something in my head 400 00:18:37,210 --> 00:18:34,490 clicked and I saw these two big black 401 00:18:41,050 --> 00:18:37,220 eyes watery 402 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:41,060 shimmery black I like superimposed over 403 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:43,490 this mark and it was like somebody 404 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:45,050 pulled their finger out of the dam all 405 00:18:49,390 --> 00:18:47,930 these memories just came back and they 406 00:18:52,420 --> 00:18:49,400 continued to come back for like a year 407 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:52,430 and not just memories of that night that 408 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:54,650 memories of things past when I was 409 00:18:59,350 --> 00:18:57,290 younger things that I've had happen and 410 00:19:04,650 --> 00:18:59,360 just had stuffed away and tried to 411 00:19:07,210 --> 00:19:04,660 forget her out about am and I got very 412 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:07,220 crazy for the first few months after 413 00:19:13,630 --> 00:19:10,250 that I started I couldn't sleep at night 414 00:19:16,210 --> 00:19:13,640 this is the Sun went down I'm up I would 415 00:19:19,750 --> 00:19:16,220 sit between my son twin beds at night 416 00:19:22,420 --> 00:19:19,760 and watch them like I was guarding them 417 00:19:23,860 --> 00:19:22,430 from something waiting for something but 418 00:19:25,690 --> 00:19:23,870 I don't know what I was waiting for I 419 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:25,700 couldn't go to the bathroom in the 420 00:19:29,410 --> 00:19:27,650 bathroom on that side of the house that 421 00:19:31,660 --> 00:19:29,420 with the window that overlooked the mark 422 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:31,670 in the yard and I knew it was out there 423 00:19:34,450 --> 00:19:33,650 because I don't I kept thinking 424 00:19:36,250 --> 00:19:34,460 something was going to pull me through 425 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:36,260 the window if I went in there and I had 426 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:39,050 to stay away all kinds of paranormal 427 00:19:42,490 --> 00:19:40,730 activity began to swoop down on the 428 00:19:44,140 --> 00:19:42,500 house we had had little bits and pieces 429 00:19:46,750 --> 00:19:44,150 of it over the years as I was a child 430 00:19:49,030 --> 00:19:46,760 growing up I was accustomed to it this 431 00:19:53,470 --> 00:19:49,040 was intense for this year after that 432 00:19:55,060 --> 00:19:53,480 like I smoked at the time and I took a 433 00:19:57,670 --> 00:19:55,070 drag off my cigarette and reached over 434 00:20:00,730 --> 00:19:57,680 to flip my cigarette like that over this 435 00:20:03,730 --> 00:20:00,740 giant amber glass ashtray in front of my 436 00:20:07,120 --> 00:20:03,740 mom and sister that giant glass amber 437 00:20:10,300 --> 00:20:07,130 ashtray split in half with a loud crack 438 00:20:12,670 --> 00:20:10,310 and one side slid the one into the table 439 00:20:16,330 --> 00:20:12,680 one side slid the other and all the but 440 00:20:17,770 --> 00:20:16,340 sit in the middle of the table and I was 441 00:20:20,290 --> 00:20:17,780 like oh cool 442 00:20:22,450 --> 00:20:20,300 did I do that and my sister's like I'm 443 00:20:23,010 --> 00:20:22,460 going home now see ya and my mom's like 444 00:20:25,650 --> 00:20:23,020 damn 445 00:20:29,010 --> 00:20:25,660 was a good astrick so we all three had 446 00:20:34,050 --> 00:20:29,020 different realities a bit lights turned 447 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:34,060 on off TV turned on and off we saw 448 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:35,650 movement and balls of light that would 449 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:37,690 slice through the house one time mom me 450 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:38,890 and the kids were sitting in the living 451 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:41,770 room watching TV minding our own 452 00:20:46,820 --> 00:20:43,810 business and all of a sudden out of the 453 00:20:49,290 --> 00:20:46,830 blue this intense green ball of light 454 00:20:52,710 --> 00:20:49,300 flashed in the living room between my 455 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:52,720 mom and the TV it was so intense and I 456 00:20:58,260 --> 00:20:54,610 saw mom and the kids went like this but 457 00:21:01,380 --> 00:20:58,270 I kept my eyes open and the moment this 458 00:21:05,670 --> 00:21:01,390 thing flashed the TV shut off the 459 00:21:10,380 --> 00:21:05,680 telephone rang and the light bulb next 460 00:21:12,050 --> 00:21:10,390 to my mom chair exploded and shattered 461 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:12,060 all over the table 462 00:21:16,710 --> 00:21:14,410 but this flash in the middle of the room 463 00:21:21,030 --> 00:21:16,720 happened before that light bulb broke 464 00:21:26,700 --> 00:21:21,040 you know I mean it was flash thump rings 465 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:26,710 boom who has that happen even my 466 00:21:31,290 --> 00:21:29,650 stepdaughter one time years later we 467 00:21:32,580 --> 00:21:31,300 always would have these like white balls 468 00:21:34,530 --> 00:21:32,590 of light that would float through the 469 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:34,540 house they were either white or blue the 470 00:21:39,030 --> 00:21:37,090 only time we had the green was when that 471 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:39,040 happened and it like I said it rang the 472 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:41,890 telephone which I got up to answer and 473 00:21:51,900 --> 00:21:48,970 it was just a dead call I you know this 474 00:21:56,250 --> 00:21:51,910 I started to like collecting that feeds 475 00:21:58,740 --> 00:21:56,260 and stone pieces of stone different 476 00:22:01,440 --> 00:21:58,750 kinds Rock collections and stuff in my 477 00:22:02,970 --> 00:22:01,450 room for that one year and also during 478 00:22:06,120 --> 00:22:02,980 that one year after that mark in the 479 00:22:11,490 --> 00:22:06,130 yard I had this weird thing happening to 480 00:22:14,220 --> 00:22:11,500 me where I would be asleep fine and all 481 00:22:16,650 --> 00:22:14,230 of a sudden these images and phrases and 482 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:16,660 words would wake me up out of a sound 483 00:22:22,050 --> 00:22:19,090 sleep and the only way I could make them 484 00:22:25,410 --> 00:22:22,060 go away was to write them down or draw a 485 00:22:27,210 --> 00:22:25,420 picture of what it was I saw once I did 486 00:22:29,100 --> 00:22:27,220 that it would leave me alone I go back 487 00:22:31,650 --> 00:22:29,110 sleep and it happened like daily 488 00:22:33,570 --> 00:22:31,660 sometimes and eventually it was weekly 489 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:33,580 and then it finally wore off but for a 490 00:22:41,190 --> 00:22:35,530 year it was really intense for the first 491 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:41,200 that year in 1984 I wrote down all kinds 492 00:22:44,430 --> 00:22:42,490 of weird stuff that don't make any sense 493 00:22:46,710 --> 00:22:44,440 to me because I'm not a scientist or 494 00:22:48,210 --> 00:22:46,720 anything like that and I don't 495 00:22:51,630 --> 00:22:48,220 understand those things that I just 496 00:22:58,230 --> 00:22:51,640 wrote them down such as time is a 497 00:23:01,530 --> 00:22:58,240 vehicle and light is to heal you can 498 00:23:04,230 --> 00:23:01,540 heal and travel and even nourish with 499 00:23:07,350 --> 00:23:04,240 light you know just stuff like that and 500 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:07,360 the drawings I did which I put in the 501 00:23:12,450 --> 00:23:10,690 book and then I show when I speak many 502 00:23:14,220 --> 00:23:12,460 of them eventually these were all done 503 00:23:17,010 --> 00:23:14,230 in the early 80s and back in then 504 00:23:19,020 --> 00:23:17,020 eventually like in the early 2000 crop 505 00:23:20,910 --> 00:23:19,030 circle circles started to show up and a 506 00:23:23,010 --> 00:23:20,920 lot of my drawings were extremely 507 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:23,020 similar if not identical to these some 508 00:23:26,630 --> 00:23:24,610 of these crop circles and I'm not the 509 00:23:28,890 --> 00:23:26,640 only person in stillness there's 510 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:28,900 hundreds of people that I know of and 511 00:23:33,660 --> 00:23:30,970 probably thousands that have done this I 512 00:23:35,130 --> 00:23:33,670 could be driving down the street not 513 00:23:38,070 --> 00:23:35,140 allow my my own bill is going to work 514 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:38,080 whatever and an image would pop into my 515 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:41,170 head or a phrase it only be one sentence 516 00:23:46,470 --> 00:23:44,290 we're going to see words and it would 517 00:23:48,210 --> 00:23:46,480 just continue to distract me to the 518 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:48,220 point where I wasn't going to be safe 519 00:23:52,530 --> 00:23:50,290 driving until I pull over so I kept a 520 00:23:54,360 --> 00:23:52,540 notebook in my car as well and I would 521 00:23:56,790 --> 00:23:54,370 just pull over write down or draw what 522 00:23:58,730 --> 00:23:56,800 it was I saw and then it was I was fine 523 00:24:01,320 --> 00:23:58,740 then I could go on about my business 524 00:24:02,820 --> 00:24:01,330 thank God that stopped you know I 525 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:02,830 thought was it you know I must be 526 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:05,050 mentally ill this is crazy what crazy 527 00:24:10,740 --> 00:24:07,690 people do this but I kept all these 528 00:24:19,710 --> 00:24:10,750 things you know and held onto him well 529 00:24:22,230 --> 00:24:19,720 anyways back to early 1984 I had read a 530 00:24:26,010 --> 00:24:22,240 book called missing time by Budd Hopkins 531 00:24:27,990 --> 00:24:26,020 I couldn't finish it I kept trying to 532 00:24:29,430 --> 00:24:28,000 read it and every time I read pieces of 533 00:24:32,250 --> 00:24:29,440 it I would like have a panic attack 534 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:32,260 might have to put away I remember I 535 00:24:36,030 --> 00:24:33,610 ended up going to the emergency room 536 00:24:36,930 --> 00:24:36,040 twice in one week because I thought we'd 537 00:24:40,530 --> 00:24:36,940 had a heart attack 538 00:24:42,180 --> 00:24:40,540 and my mother finally connected the dots 539 00:24:43,710 --> 00:24:42,190 and she said you need to take that book 540 00:24:46,770 --> 00:24:43,720 back to the library we can't afford this 541 00:24:49,409 --> 00:24:46,780 with my spotty I got you I went back to 542 00:24:50,940 --> 00:24:49,419 the library and got the book 543 00:24:52,199 --> 00:24:50,950 because I knew in the back of the book 544 00:24:53,879 --> 00:24:52,209 there was an address where you could 545 00:24:57,659 --> 00:24:53,889 contact the author because somehow I 546 00:25:00,930 --> 00:24:57,669 felt what was having to me what had 547 00:25:02,639 --> 00:25:00,940 happened to my sister in 1985 was 548 00:25:04,649 --> 00:25:02,649 something he would know about and maybe 549 00:25:07,169 --> 00:25:04,659 he could help me because I just wanted 550 00:25:08,699 --> 00:25:07,179 to be normal I didn't ask for this I 551 00:25:11,249 --> 00:25:08,709 didn't go out looking for this 552 00:25:14,609 --> 00:25:11,259 in retrospect perhaps I was even born 553 00:25:17,249 --> 00:25:14,619 because of it I don't know for it but at 554 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:17,259 that time I just wanted to be a normal I 555 00:25:26,549 --> 00:25:22,450 wanted it to stop so I wrote him this 556 00:25:29,940 --> 00:25:26,559 long long letter and I was still tended 557 00:25:31,669 --> 00:25:29,950 to be telling him about June 30 1983 so 558 00:25:34,799 --> 00:25:31,679 basically I told him about my sister's 559 00:25:37,229 --> 00:25:34,809 experience in 1965 when she was taking 560 00:25:39,690 --> 00:25:37,239 my mother to a bingo game saw the you a 561 00:25:41,579 --> 00:25:39,700 UFO in the church parking lot and felt 562 00:25:44,639 --> 00:25:41,589 compelled to pull into the parking lot 563 00:25:47,279 --> 00:25:44,649 and the next thing she remembers is it's 564 00:25:49,199 --> 00:25:47,289 dark and it's now time to go get mom 565 00:25:51,479 --> 00:25:49,209 from the bingo game and she didn't 566 00:25:53,940 --> 00:25:51,489 remember this whole evening she 567 00:25:58,589 --> 00:25:53,950 disappeared you know time disappeared 568 00:25:59,369 --> 00:25:58,599 for her but I wrote about that in the 569 00:26:01,079 --> 00:25:59,379 letter to bud 570 00:26:03,599 --> 00:26:01,089 so I figure I had to tell my older 571 00:26:05,249 --> 00:26:03,609 sister nor the bus station if you'd been 572 00:26:07,709 --> 00:26:05,259 at the end of the end of the letter I 573 00:26:09,989 --> 00:26:07,719 said oh by the way this stuff happened 574 00:26:11,249 --> 00:26:09,999 in 1883 in June and it left this big 575 00:26:14,519 --> 00:26:11,259 mark in the air and I sent him a picture 576 00:26:16,619 --> 00:26:14,529 and I gave the letter to mom I said mail 577 00:26:17,669 --> 00:26:16,629 this please she's like what is and I 578 00:26:19,709 --> 00:26:17,679 told her she's like okay 579 00:26:21,959 --> 00:26:19,719 later she says I almost threw that 580 00:26:23,129 --> 00:26:21,969 letter away like five times and then she 581 00:26:25,379 --> 00:26:23,139 said something and he said you better 582 00:26:27,690 --> 00:26:25,389 mail it so she dropped it in a mailbox 583 00:26:34,109 --> 00:26:27,700 one day on impulse well like two months 584 00:26:36,839 --> 00:26:34,119 later I'm going out and my mom says when 585 00:26:40,099 --> 00:26:36,849 you were gone that guy who you wrote to 586 00:26:46,109 --> 00:26:40,109 that wrote that book called and I'm like 587 00:26:49,169 --> 00:26:46,119 what and my mind was reeling because I 588 00:26:53,430 --> 00:26:49,179 knew at that moment this was the 589 00:26:54,149 --> 00:26:53,440 beginning I I had reached the point of 590 00:26:56,639 --> 00:26:54,159 no return 591 00:27:00,169 --> 00:26:56,649 I can't go back now I have to go forward 592 00:27:02,070 --> 00:27:00,179 it's just I'm not to talk about it now 593 00:27:10,860 --> 00:27:02,080 so 594 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:10,870 I called him back and we talked and thus 595 00:27:17,850 --> 00:27:14,050 and out of that phone conversation came 596 00:27:20,970 --> 00:27:17,860 a three-year investigation that involved 597 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:20,980 me selling my washer and dryer that was 598 00:27:24,780 --> 00:27:22,570 in storage to get enough money to go to 599 00:27:27,300 --> 00:27:24,790 New York on a bus which that in and of 600 00:27:29,750 --> 00:27:27,310 itself is a magnificent feat because I 601 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:29,760 had this phobia about getting lost and 602 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:32,890 had never been anywhere that far alone 603 00:27:39,330 --> 00:27:37,090 not New York City and then like halfway 604 00:27:43,740 --> 00:27:39,340 in the bus trip to New York I have this 605 00:27:46,410 --> 00:27:43,750 epiphany what are you doing you're going 606 00:27:49,020 --> 00:27:46,420 to New York City I'm from Indiana so 607 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:49,030 that was a big Gary deal New York City 608 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:51,250 to see this man who wrote a book about 609 00:27:57,090 --> 00:27:53,890 UFOs who could be an axe murderer 610 00:28:01,140 --> 00:27:57,100 what is wrong with you water what are 611 00:28:04,820 --> 00:28:01,150 you faking you are nuts then what then I 612 00:28:09,810 --> 00:28:04,830 thought to myself oh well I'm here now 613 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:09,820 but you know bud pretty much saved my 614 00:28:19,350 --> 00:28:16,810 life he gave me back my sanity he 615 00:28:21,150 --> 00:28:19,360 believed in me he didn't make fun of me 616 00:28:22,260 --> 00:28:21,160 or what I was telling him and he did his 617 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:22,270 best to help me he wasn't always 618 00:28:31,170 --> 00:28:25,090 successful that his compassion you know 619 00:28:32,910 --> 00:28:31,180 helped me so much he he connected me 620 00:28:34,650 --> 00:28:32,920 with other people that had these 621 00:28:37,290 --> 00:28:34,660 experiences that I had no idea existed 622 00:28:38,550 --> 00:28:37,300 on the planet and made me feel at first 623 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:38,560 it scared me because I thought oh well 624 00:28:42,870 --> 00:28:40,330 there goes my idea that I can just write 625 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:42,880 this off as me being crazy because these 626 00:28:46,380 --> 00:28:44,410 people are seeing the same thing I'm 627 00:28:49,890 --> 00:28:46,390 seeing and they can't be knowing what I 628 00:28:51,780 --> 00:28:49,900 know in my head because I've never told 629 00:28:53,730 --> 00:28:51,790 anybody so therefore the only other 630 00:28:58,470 --> 00:28:53,740 conclusion I can make is this stuff is 631 00:29:02,010 --> 00:28:58,480 really going on and on some level anyway 632 00:29:05,610 --> 00:29:02,020 so I'm you know once I reconciled that 633 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:05,620 with myself then it was comforting to me 634 00:29:12,150 --> 00:29:10,210 and after the investigation and the 635 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:12,160 testing that he put me through with 636 00:29:15,930 --> 00:29:14,050 doctors and psychiatrists 637 00:29:17,820 --> 00:29:15,940 and his research he's betting he came to 638 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:17,830 Indiana several times to interview 639 00:29:23,550 --> 00:29:20,970 neighbors friends family coworkers 640 00:29:26,610 --> 00:29:23,560 Benna don't wanted to do it as well 641 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:26,620 you know so I don't know why he felt 642 00:29:34,700 --> 00:29:29,650 this drive to spend his time with our KC 643 00:29:40,650 --> 00:29:36,830 came his book intruders 644 00:29:43,170 --> 00:29:40,660 so intruders is basically centered 645 00:29:46,260 --> 00:29:43,180 around me and the June 30 1983 646 00:29:52,620 --> 00:29:46,270 experience and then expands a little bit 647 00:29:54,660 --> 00:29:52,630 before and a lot afterwards and I went 648 00:29:58,410 --> 00:29:54,670 with him when he did his book tour 649 00:30:01,860 --> 00:29:58,420 you know because I felt somewhat of an 650 00:30:03,870 --> 00:30:01,870 obligation to help him to promote his 651 00:30:06,300 --> 00:30:03,880 book because number one wanted to get 652 00:30:08,250 --> 00:30:06,310 the word out and try to help people who 653 00:30:11,070 --> 00:30:08,260 also had these experiences not feel 654 00:30:14,610 --> 00:30:11,080 alone and be feel more confident to talk 655 00:30:17,820 --> 00:30:14,620 about it and you know because he spent 656 00:30:20,610 --> 00:30:17,830 his he sacrificed three years of his 657 00:30:23,340 --> 00:30:20,620 life and his own money to help me and my 658 00:30:25,380 --> 00:30:23,350 family I felt I needed to pay him back 659 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:25,390 for that in some way you know because I 660 00:30:29,300 --> 00:30:27,370 was grateful to him for that so I went 661 00:30:32,310 --> 00:30:29,310 with him even though it's very 662 00:30:34,110 --> 00:30:32,320 uncomfortable for me because I I could 663 00:30:35,490 --> 00:30:34,120 be talking about grocery stores and I 664 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:35,500 would have a panic attack just because 665 00:30:39,690 --> 00:30:37,090 people were looking at me I'm just not 666 00:30:42,300 --> 00:30:39,700 that was not that way you know what I 667 00:30:44,490 --> 00:30:42,310 mean that I did it because for him and I 668 00:30:46,110 --> 00:30:44,500 did it for all the other people out 669 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:46,120 there like me that have had these 670 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:47,890 experiences and don't know what to do 671 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:50,170 with themselves or where to go the fact 672 00:30:55,110 --> 00:30:51,610 that I just found out that there are a 673 00:31:01,830 --> 00:30:55,120 lot of people like me was a helpful to 674 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:01,840 me so and then as years passed I began 675 00:31:08,820 --> 00:31:06,130 to change inside spiritually 676 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:08,830 intellectually you know all kind of 677 00:31:13,770 --> 00:31:10,690 things and the experience the strange 678 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:13,780 experiences I started have changed to a 679 00:31:21,330 --> 00:31:17,170 different level and same with my sister 680 00:31:24,050 --> 00:31:21,340 my older sister so we wrote a book to 681 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:24,060 compliment intruders which was called 682 00:31:27,630 --> 00:31:26,530 abducted the story of the intruders 683 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:27,640 continued 684 00:31:32,370 --> 00:31:30,850 that was published in 1992 and then of 685 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:32,380 course when you write a book then you 686 00:31:40,789 --> 00:31:35,770 got to go out and talk about it so I did 687 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:40,799 and then I kind of backed away in 93 and 688 00:31:47,039 --> 00:31:43,570 1994 my late has been committed suicide 689 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:47,049 and I was traumatized by that and I had 690 00:31:50,549 --> 00:31:49,090 two teenage kids to raise and so I kind 691 00:31:57,210 --> 00:31:50,559 of pulled myself out of way from all of 692 00:31:59,940 --> 00:31:57,220 it to focus on other things and even in 693 00:32:01,710 --> 00:31:59,950 all that the experiences continued on a 694 00:32:04,130 --> 00:32:01,720 different level and paranormal 695 00:32:07,049 --> 00:32:04,140 experiences became pulled into it as 696 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:07,059 well or what you call paranormal so I 697 00:32:13,860 --> 00:32:08,890 got involved in paranormal research as 698 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:13,870 well and just all saying all kinds of 699 00:32:18,830 --> 00:32:16,210 things have changed within me and now I 700 00:32:22,409 --> 00:32:18,840 have accepted a few speaking engagements 701 00:32:27,750 --> 00:32:22,419 in the last few years where I feel 702 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:27,760 compelled to and I want and I come to 703 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:30,610 talk about what happened to me since 704 00:32:35,310 --> 00:32:32,890 that happened and how things are 705 00:32:37,140 --> 00:32:35,320 changing because I know who people that 706 00:32:39,810 --> 00:32:37,150 have had this experience are at the same 707 00:32:42,860 --> 00:32:39,820 level now and so that's why I came here 708 00:32:45,150 --> 00:32:42,870 to Eureka Springs again this place here 709 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:45,160 was one of the first places I ever came 710 00:32:52,350 --> 00:32:47,650 and spoke publicly so I feel comfortable 711 00:32:54,180 --> 00:32:52,360 here but so that's my story there's a 712 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:54,190 whole lot more to it but we don't have 713 00:32:59,630 --> 00:32:56,650 like three hours because we're talking 714 00:33:05,840 --> 00:32:59,640 about 58 years of the life that's been a 715 00:33:09,780 --> 00:33:05,850 extremely phenomenal and scary and 716 00:33:11,510 --> 00:33:09,790 blessed so kind of hard to condense it 717 00:33:16,620 --> 00:33:11,520 all into a little while a little bit 718 00:33:19,230 --> 00:33:16,630 that's the gist of it having had the 719 00:33:21,060 --> 00:33:19,240 lights and I have had and the 720 00:33:23,390 --> 00:33:21,070 experiences that I've had and the way I 721 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:23,400 started out you know the child and and 722 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:27,010 things that happened to me throughout my 723 00:33:34,500 --> 00:33:32,530 life I have had a lot of traumatic 724 00:33:35,850 --> 00:33:34,510 things happened to me have nothing to do 725 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:35,860 with paranormal stuff at all 726 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:38,890 either also like uh my husband suicide 727 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:41,170 which was bad enough to be a suicide 728 00:33:46,650 --> 00:33:42,610 survivor but I actually witnessed it 729 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:46,660 along with the sheriff and that was 730 00:33:53,970 --> 00:33:51,610 traumatic but I can't look at that event 731 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:53,980 in my life now and realize the gift that 732 00:34:00,030 --> 00:33:55,290 came with it 733 00:34:02,910 --> 00:34:00,040 because I was forced to become stronger 734 00:34:05,370 --> 00:34:02,920 and I was forced to and I was giving 735 00:34:09,330 --> 00:34:05,380 gifts afterwards gifts from my late 736 00:34:14,909 --> 00:34:09,340 husband that reaffirmed and confirmed my 737 00:34:20,310 --> 00:34:14,919 belief that we don't die and just these 738 00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:20,320 bodies that not us and you know I had 739 00:34:24,720 --> 00:34:22,960 the near-death experience when I gave 740 00:34:26,430 --> 00:34:24,730 birth to my first turn I had a clancy in 741 00:34:28,409 --> 00:34:26,440 my ohio organ failure and coma and they 742 00:34:30,780 --> 00:34:28,419 had to take him early and i had to be 743 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:30,790 resuscitated wife during that episode 744 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:33,970 i've had two bouts of anaphylaxis 745 00:34:38,220 --> 00:34:36,490 allergic reaction most people don't even 746 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:38,230 live through one and I've lived through 747 00:34:43,290 --> 00:34:40,570 two I've lived through two tornadoes 748 00:34:44,700 --> 00:34:43,300 that took everything I owned and so the 749 00:34:46,710 --> 00:34:44,710 universe is like really taught me that 750 00:34:51,540 --> 00:34:46,720 don't get attached to stuff because it 751 00:34:53,130 --> 00:34:51,550 did ain't that big a deal first time it 752 00:34:55,050 --> 00:34:53,140 was just a van full of clothes and toys 753 00:34:57,390 --> 00:34:55,060 that's all I had anyway the second time 754 00:34:59,790 --> 00:34:57,400 I lost my whole home in 2013 I lost 755 00:35:04,020 --> 00:34:59,800 everything and was in the house and we 756 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:04,030 got hit by a it was like between us f2 757 00:35:09,240 --> 00:35:06,130 and f3 tornado we were right there at 758 00:35:10,830 --> 00:35:09,250 160 miles an hour and we were Ground 759 00:35:13,590 --> 00:35:10,840 Zero there was nothing left in my house 760 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:13,600 but three outer brick walls and the 761 00:35:19,710 --> 00:35:16,450 closet I was laying in and once the fire 762 00:35:22,250 --> 00:35:19,720 department does me out I really wasn't 763 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:22,260 injured you know and it turns out 764 00:35:26,820 --> 00:35:25,450 somebody in Noblesville had videotape 765 00:35:28,770 --> 00:35:26,830 you have homes lying around in the 766 00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:28,780 tornado and it became an episode of 767 00:35:33,390 --> 00:35:30,250 twisted believer on the Weather Channel 768 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:33,400 so you know well that's not a surprise 769 00:35:41,550 --> 00:35:39,490 right but all so all these traumas need 770 00:35:43,890 --> 00:35:41,560 like traumas and I continue to just 771 00:35:45,720 --> 00:35:43,900 shuttle on like the Energizer Bunny and 772 00:35:50,370 --> 00:35:45,730 actually I get stronger from it and I 773 00:35:52,980 --> 00:35:50,380 get higher from it I get deeper in my 774 00:35:53,740 --> 00:35:52,990 spirituality in spirituality you know I 775 00:35:56,859 --> 00:35:53,750 mean 776 00:36:00,089 --> 00:35:56,869 I'm not a religious person but my 777 00:36:03,490 --> 00:36:00,099 spirituality has increased tenfold 778 00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:03,500 throughout this not only these things of 779 00:36:11,500 --> 00:36:07,609 life but these things extra ordinary 780 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:11,510 things in my life and now I am at a 781 00:36:20,380 --> 00:36:15,050 point where the things that I wrote down 782 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:20,390 in 1985 I understand these things that 783 00:36:26,620 --> 00:36:23,330 were told to me that I wrote down that 784 00:36:30,730 --> 00:36:26,630 made no sense you know I look at 785 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:30,740 everybody and everything differently I 786 00:36:34,599 --> 00:36:33,050 was given gifts from my late husband 787 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:34,609 after his death I was also getting gifts 788 00:36:38,770 --> 00:36:37,010 from my mother when she passed away like 789 00:36:40,830 --> 00:36:38,780 I said that solidify that part of it in 790 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:40,840 the paranormal research that I've done 791 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:44,210 here recently and I have become to 792 00:36:49,870 --> 00:36:47,210 realize that you know there there's a 793 00:36:53,170 --> 00:36:49,880 whole world out here within our world 794 00:36:56,349 --> 00:36:53,180 that we don't even see and I have begun 795 00:37:01,540 --> 00:36:56,359 to realize a human being minds or women 796 00:37:05,740 --> 00:37:01,550 means brains are like tube type radios 797 00:37:10,900 --> 00:37:05,750 in a Dolby Digital surround sound world 798 00:37:14,770 --> 00:37:10,910 okay both still function fine one is 799 00:37:19,300 --> 00:37:14,780 just clearer and sharper and can pick up 800 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:19,310 more we're like little transistor radios 801 00:37:24,970 --> 00:37:21,490 in a world full of television signals 802 00:37:28,210 --> 00:37:24,980 all this going on around us and we're 803 00:37:30,490 --> 00:37:28,220 just not made to know it but I also have 804 00:37:32,290 --> 00:37:30,500 come to believe that some of these 805 00:37:35,170 --> 00:37:32,300 experiences that I've had haven't been 806 00:37:37,329 --> 00:37:35,180 from out there extraterrestrial in 807 00:37:41,650 --> 00:37:37,339 origin I should say that more of the 808 00:37:45,460 --> 00:37:41,660 ultra terrestrial are ultra dimensional 809 00:37:48,010 --> 00:37:45,470 I believe and these are just my beliefs 810 00:37:50,250 --> 00:37:48,020 I'm not saying this is you know written 811 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:50,260 in stone but from my experiences 812 00:37:56,349 --> 00:37:53,690 observations and my gut feelings there 813 00:37:59,650 --> 00:37:56,359 are many universes in many reality and I 814 00:38:02,859 --> 00:37:59,660 think that some of them have become 815 00:38:04,839 --> 00:38:02,869 aware of us just as some of us have 816 00:38:07,060 --> 00:38:04,849 become aware of them and I think there 817 00:38:08,090 --> 00:38:07,070 are people on the other side working to 818 00:38:11,670 --> 00:38:08,100 develop 819 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:11,680 technology to communicate with us as 820 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:14,770 well as I believe there are people here 821 00:38:22,890 --> 00:38:19,690 doing the same thing and a picture that 822 00:38:24,810 --> 00:38:22,900 I drew in 1984 that I called Casey's 823 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:24,820 bubbles the vision that I saw and I 824 00:38:27,270 --> 00:38:26,050 couldn't really figure out what it meant 825 00:38:29,580 --> 00:38:27,280 but I drew it and it was like 826 00:38:32,850 --> 00:38:29,590 interlocking circles that touched and 827 00:38:35,100 --> 00:38:32,860 that looked like soap bubble that came 828 00:38:37,530 --> 00:38:35,110 together and touched and in that little 829 00:38:42,660 --> 00:38:37,540 area where they come together they 830 00:38:46,230 --> 00:38:42,670 become one before their table those 831 00:38:50,270 --> 00:38:46,240 little areas this drawing these images 832 00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:50,280 that I did these were universes and 833 00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:52,690 there was little places where they touch 834 00:39:01,130 --> 00:38:57,010 those are our windows those are where we 835 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:01,140 our gateway our bridge where we can 836 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:04,770 acknowledge each other you know I mean I 837 00:39:11,070 --> 00:39:07,690 kept tchard an EVP 30 years ago which 838 00:39:14,010 --> 00:39:11,080 has been destroyed then tornado that I'd 839 00:39:16,620 --> 00:39:14,020 given to my mom and then very clearly 840 00:39:19,470 --> 00:39:16,630 you hear an old man say are the spirits 841 00:39:23,010 --> 00:39:19,480 listening and behind him another younger 842 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:23,020 voices can I listen to you and I had 843 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:24,490 this epiphany that what if we're the 844 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:25,570 spirits 845 00:39:31,460 --> 00:39:28,330 someone else somewhere else listening 846 00:39:33,690 --> 00:39:31,470 for us where those little bubbles touch 847 00:39:38,580 --> 00:39:33,700 sound can get through or where you know 848 00:39:40,710 --> 00:39:38,590 I mean I I feel like we're all connected 849 00:39:43,230 --> 00:39:40,720 by this little golden thread or these 850 00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:43,240 little so bubbles that we touch I 851 00:39:53,580 --> 00:39:48,370 believe that a human spirit is nothing 852 00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:53,590 more than a shard of this massive life 853 00:39:59,370 --> 00:39:56,890 that shattered at some point and turned 854 00:40:02,940 --> 00:39:59,380 into a gajillion little shards that 855 00:40:06,660 --> 00:40:02,950 we're all a part of the same thing you 856 00:40:08,820 --> 00:40:06,670 know I mean and I mean it's like my 857 00:40:11,190 --> 00:40:08,830 brain just kind of blew up and all these 858 00:40:14,130 --> 00:40:11,200 things float into me I think about weird 859 00:40:16,110 --> 00:40:14,140 stuff sometimes and I'm like ok no no 860 00:40:19,110 --> 00:40:16,120 that's fine I'll write it down then I 861 00:40:20,049 --> 00:40:19,120 try to just focus on life daily life 862 00:40:23,589 --> 00:40:20,059 kind of 10 863 00:40:25,420 --> 00:40:23,599 to drag me out of that and take my focus 864 00:40:26,709 --> 00:40:25,430 away because good lord knows where I'd 865 00:40:29,319 --> 00:40:26,719 be if I didn't have to worry about 866 00:40:33,059 --> 00:40:29,329 paying the bills and you know what I 867 00:40:35,349 --> 00:40:33,069 mean going to work and all that but 868 00:40:39,009 --> 00:40:35,359 knowing what I know feeling how I feel 869 00:40:41,140 --> 00:40:39,019 now have super changed how I act how I 870 00:40:43,630 --> 00:40:41,150 relate to other people how I think about 871 00:40:47,309 --> 00:40:43,640 other people how I think about life how 872 00:40:53,130 --> 00:40:47,319 I think about death and how I live and 873 00:40:56,620 --> 00:40:53,140 it's made my life so more rich and 874 00:40:59,769 --> 00:40:56,630 wonderful and I want to help other 875 00:41:02,799 --> 00:40:59,779 people realize their potential I feel 876 00:41:06,969 --> 00:41:02,809 like you are only limited in what you 877 00:41:09,069 --> 00:41:06,979 can do we're powerful powerful beings 878 00:41:10,959 --> 00:41:09,079 and I believe we almost have we we have 879 00:41:15,130 --> 00:41:10,969 the ability to actually you know 880 00:41:18,189 --> 00:41:15,140 manipulate our own reality and visualize 881 00:41:22,569 --> 00:41:18,199 and create in our own world and you're 882 00:41:25,599 --> 00:41:22,579 only limited by you and your belief in 883 00:41:27,669 --> 00:41:25,609 what you can or cannot do I mean all 884 00:41:30,969 --> 00:41:27,679 this is just my mind is just blossomed 885 00:41:37,229 --> 00:41:30,979 open like a flower in the last few years 886 00:41:40,539 --> 00:41:37,239 and I feel it is my destiny or my my 887 00:41:45,669 --> 00:41:40,549 obligation or my whole reason for being 888 00:41:48,479 --> 00:41:45,679 is to help other people see so they can 889 00:41:51,939 --> 00:41:48,489 to experience this blossoming and 890 00:41:54,939 --> 00:41:51,949 changed their life and the way they feel 891 00:41:56,799 --> 00:41:54,949 because I feel like if I do that for one 892 00:41:58,569 --> 00:41:56,809 other person here then I've done it for 893 00:42:01,719 --> 00:41:58,579 myself too since I believe we're all 894 00:42:07,089 --> 00:42:01,729 connected and I also feel like the whole 895 00:42:08,890 --> 00:42:07,099 world becomes a better place if somebody 896 00:42:11,919 --> 00:42:08,900 would like to contact me and share their 897 00:42:14,019 --> 00:42:11,929 story with me and you know just talk you 898 00:42:17,069 --> 00:42:14,029 can private message me through Facebook 899 00:42:20,410 --> 00:42:17,079 and my facebook name is dead 900 00:42:23,859 --> 00:42:20,420 Jordan Coble it's three separate words 901 00:42:25,689 --> 00:42:23,869 my name and then the book that both 902 00:42:27,099 --> 00:42:25,699 Hopkins wrote about me and my family is 903 00:42:29,140 --> 00:42:27,109 called intruders the incredible 904 00:42:31,630 --> 00:42:29,150 visitations that Coakley woods by Budd 905 00:42:33,620 --> 00:42:31,640 Hopkins and then the book that my sister 906 00:42:36,559 --> 00:42:33,630 and I wrote as a follow-up 907 00:42:38,779 --> 00:42:36,569 Mannion two intruders is called abducted